Nod's Land

This series of messages is from discussions that took place in the FamilyNet International Bible Area, concerning various questions, such as, "Where did Cain get his wife?" and revelations about the land of Nod, and the name of Noah's wife.
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(1) Nod

From a message by a Curious Questioner--
>CQ> Subj: NOD

>CQ> In Gen.4:14,Cain states: "Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a 'FUGITIVE' and vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that 'EVERYONE THAT FINDETH ME SHALL SLAY ME.'

>CQ> FUGITIVE???? EVERYONE???? From the beginning of Genises to Gen.4:13, there's no hint or clue of there being any other people on earth BUT Adam-Eve-Cain and Abel.

The word "everyone" is surely a hint/clue that there were "other" people besides Adam, Eve, Cain and "the LORD"! (Gen.4:13p :)

>CQ> If that's true, then there MUST have been others for Cain to choose a wife from.

Certainly, since "when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them..." (ref.Gen.6:1p :)

>CQ> These others apparently built the land of Nod.

Cain was the builder of the city called Enoch in the LAND of Nod. Was Nod's land itself "built", or was it farm and pasture land? ("Cain... tiller of the ground" - "Jabal... such as have cattle." :)

>CQ> And if there were others, where did they come from?

Adam begat "sons and daughters" (Gen.5:4p). Seth was not born until Adam was 130 years old. The twins, Cain & Abel, were born in Adam's first year (although he probably "looked" as old as 34. :)

Between 1 and 130 are about 128 years. Figuring 9 month pregnancy time and 3 months recovery per birth/cycle, you could have 128 batches of one or more (multiple conception) children. The LORD told Eve: "I will greatly multiply thy conception..." (Gen.3:16p) Figuring an average age of 30 years old before the children have children which have children, etc.; Adam could have seen four generations before Seth was born when Adam was 130. (By the age of 930, Adam's descendents could have numbered "thousands of millions". :)

>CQ> I have thousands of other questions about the Bible I'd like answered if possible.

Ask with faith, not with doubt, and earnestly expect the Lord to reveal those things that you most need to know. (Let God be true! :)

>CQ> Also...Ge.4:15 Continues with: "And the Lord said unto him, 'Therefore WHOSOEVER slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on HIM sevenfold. Then, in Gen.4:17, Cain suddenly and mysteriously has a wife.

The total span of time in Genesis chapter 4 is more than 100 years. He did not "suddenly" have a wife in time for her to conceive then, but obviously had plenty of "process of time" to get married.

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(2) Nod

Continuing From a message by a Curious Questioner--
>CQ> Subj: NOD

>CQ> Enoch doesn't arrive until AFTER Cain gets a wife and AFTER the murder of Abel. So,the continuity factor is extremely confusing.

God is not the author of confusion. After Cain slew Abel, he was driven out from the presence of the LORD; his "wife" got pregnant; and she bare Enoch. The passage does not say when he married Mrs. Cain, but only tells when she conceived. Only Adam was driven out of the garden, and afterwards he "knew Eve his wife"; therefore she followed him out because of her "desire" (Gen.3:16p :) toward him.

Since Adam was 130 years old when his next son was born, who was said to be, "instead of Abel, whom Cain slew"; Then it follows that the slaying of Abel, and Cain's departure, was not long before Adam's 130th year, and if Cain was born in Adam's first year, Cain would have been close to 130 years old when his wife conceived. (WOW! Adam was only 9 months older than his son Cain! :)

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. --Richard


(3) Nod

From a message by a Curious Questioner--
>CQ> Subj: ACCURACY...

>CQ> If I said ( and I have said ) that there were probably more people around then Adam/Eve etc. Whenever I said that, I was told without any hesitation by the irate listener that "It's NOT In the Bible!".

What is in the Bible, is that the LORD himself told Eve that he would GREATLY multiply her conception. Only 2 male children of Adam, Cain & Abel, are mentioned (by name) before the birth of Seth when Adam was 130 years old. Even a deliberately stupid person would have to admit that 130 years with greatly multiplied conception would produce MANY offspring, including "daughters". (Gen.5:4p & 6:1p :)

>CQ> Well, in the question I posed, it's not in the Bible neither... about Cain's Wife and Nod.

His "wife" would have to have been one of the female descendents of Adam and Eve ("the mother of all living." :)

Cain would have been close to 130 years old when he was driven out of Adam's land into the "east country." The very next son born to Adam and Eve was called "Seth" and he was considered to have been given to them "instead of Abel".

>CQ> I'm really not trying to be difficult here.

No sweat. As long as ignorance turns to knowledge, and not the other way around; then we all gain in some measure, by the grace of God.

Remember that Jesus is the Lord and receive the love of the truth. Grace be to your heart with love for Jesus' sake. Amen. --Richard


(4) Nod

From a message by a Curious Questioner--
>CQ> Subj: NOD

>>QU> Since Adam & Eve & Cain And Abel were the only people on earth, who then built the land of NOD?

>CQ> Cain and Abel's sisters were not listed, as was customary in the showing of linage.

Customary? Besides Cain's "wife" who is mentioned but not named, we find three other women mentioned by name in Cain's genealogy, including the fact that "the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah." (ref. Gen.4:17-22). The custom of a linear genealogy is, not to show total family trees, but to trace certain lines of descent leading to key people. Again, Cain's line leads to Naamah!! (Hint, hint! :)

OK, the reasoning is simple. You have the male-line genealogy of the three sons of Noah in chapter five. "These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread." (Gen.9:19) It makes sense to trace their (our) genealogy back through Seth to Adam. But why include a genealogy of certain of Cain's descendents unless, by marriage, they were part of Noah's family tree? (Maybe Noah's "wife" was Naamah and his mother-in-law was Zillah. :)

Too big of a leap? Well, look at Christ's genealogy in the new testament and notice that certain women show up in his genealogy. Noah is a "type" of Christ. Christ (a Jew) gets a Gentile bride, that is, a bride from a different family line. The son of David, Solomon, had a wife by the name of "Naamah"! (hint, hint! :) And how could Moses claim that "Jubal" was the "father of all such as handle the harp and organ" if Jubal's line ended at the flood? (But if one or more of Jubal's daughters married one or more of Noah's sons! :)

>CQ> Cain would have married one of his sisters, this being prior to the rules God created governing the marrying of someone of close kin.

Sure... we find no social laws against incest until the law given by Moses. Instead of saying he married his sister, it might be safer to say he married a female descendant of Adam, which would include not only daughters, but grand-daughters, etc. (IF Nod's land was "built" then would it be too wild to suppose that "Nod" built it? :)

Grace be to them that love the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. --Richard


(5) Nod

From a message by a Curious Questioner--
>CQ> Subj: (4) NOD

>CQ> Ok. :-) You explained it better. Thanks.

You're welcome. (God be thanked for his part in these things. :)

>CQ> But as you indicated even in your explanation, it was not customary to mention women (whose linage was not important). [ok, I give!]

Good. It is more blessed to "give" than to receive! (big smile :)

>>>CQ> Cain would have married one of his sisters, this being prior to the rules God created governing the marrying of someone of close kin.

>>RC> Sure... we find no social laws against incest until the law given by Moses.

>CQ> Social? No, on the contrary the laws were given to Noah, yes?

Nope, sorry, but the things the LORD "commanded" Noah, before and after the flood, do not include any social laws against incest. The "prophet" Abraham was married to his sister Sarah. As Abraham still says: "And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife." (Gen.20:12)

Abraham's son Isaac married the grand-daughter of Abraham's brother. Isaac commanded his son Jacob to, "Arise, go to Padan-aram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother's father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother's brother." (Gen.28:2) (And Isaac says of his wife, "She is my sister..." Gen.26:7p :)

The first mention in the Bible of any laws against incest are in Leviticus 18 & 20. (In 1Cor.9:5, we learn that Peter's wife was his SISTER! As children of God, they both had the same "Father"! :)

Grace be to them that love the truth for Jesus' sake. Amen. --Richard


(6) Nod

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: NOD

>CF> Cain and Abel according to oral Jewish sources were born with a twin sister each, who became their wives.

"AND Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel." (Gen.4:1,2p)

Since it doesn't say she again conceived, but only "she again bare"; it is reasonable to suppose that Cain and Abel were twins. However, there is no appearance of any "maid" children born along with Cain and Abel. (Upon what do your "Jewish sources" base their claim? :)

>CF> Abel died childless...

A reasonable conclusion based on the fact that Seth was said to be, "another seed instead of Abel". (Gen.4:25p) (If Abel had produced seed [a son] then how could Seth raise up seed in his stead?)

>CF> In the genealogy of Cain we are told not only the sons but also some of the daughters. This is unusual considering that many people seem to believe that the line of Cain died at the flood.

Cain's male line perished. Remember that when sin entered into the world, it was by one man, not by the woman who ate first. It is by the seed of man that sin is continued. It was to the man "alone" that the commandment was given (concerning the tree of the knowledge of good [and] evil,) which said unto him: "Thou shalt not eat of it." (The man was under law, but the woman was under grace!!! :)

It was only the man that was driven out of the garden of Eden, "to till the ground from whence he was taken." The woman was not made from red/brown dirt, but from a lily-white RIB! (Because her "desire" was to her husband, she was FREE to "follow" him. A great mystery? but I speak concerning Christ and the church! :)

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

>CF> Incidentally Noah according to the book of Enoch was born with an unusually white skin, which was a big surprise to his parents. Remember Adam was a "red" man, thus he contained the genetic code for all the colours of man. So much for the superiority of the white races!

It is generally believed that Adam was reddish/brown and Eve was of a fair complexion. You don't have all the "colours" in red, but it is evident that brown is a combination of red, yellow, and black.

Cain had a "mark" upon him that would indicate he was already judged of God and that none of Cain's mother's children could therefore take vengeance on him without receiving sevenfold vengeance upon themselves. Although some people think that the mark on Cain was to turn his skin completely black, I rather think that, yes, the mark was black, but that it was more like the marks on a leopard, which has black spots on a yellow/brown background and white belly.

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(7) Nod

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: NOD

Noah, being directly descended from Adam, would likely have a complexion like that of Adam and Seth. ("his own likeness" Gen.5:3p) (And would therefore be like the so-called "redskin" Indians? :)

>CF> We are told that only eight survived the Flood, and we are told also that Noah was perfect in his generations. This means that his blood line was not contaminated with the gene pool of Cain, unlike his sons.

The biblical word "mingled" seems better than "contaminated." Noah could have had the genetics for red, yellow, black and white and his wife would have roughly the same genetic possibilities. It is commonly believed that the three sons of Noah represent the three main "sorts" of man-kind:

>1> Caucasian/white  (Japheth the elder)
>2> Negroid/black    (Ham the younger)
>3> Mongoloid/yellow (Shem the youngest?)

"These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread." (Gen.9:19)

>CF> We are not given the length of life of the family of Cain.

The natural life expectancy could have been in the 900's, but the "earth was filled with violence," by the time of Noah. Noah was close to 500 years old when Japheth, Ham and Shem were born. That may be an indication that he didn't marry Naamah until late in his life, and that she could be much younger than Noah. Apparently the "sons of God" were grabbing up the "daughters of men" who were bearing children to them with a genetic quirk that resulted in GIANTISM. So the shortage of "daughters" for Noah to marry may have made it necessary for him to leave Eden and go to the land of Nod ("on the east of Eden") to get a wife from the female descendents of Cain. (When Jacob went to get a wife, he journeyed "into the land of the people of the east"! Gen.29:1p :)

Grace be to them that love the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. --Richard


(8) "Cain's sons"? (was Nod)

First a note to recommmend you read all the following messages (if possible) before beginning replies (if any,) since some things not fully answered in one place are answered more elsewhere. Also especially see three messages addressed to "All" beginning with "Silence of the Lamb", which further address some points. (Link at bottom of this web page.) Thanks!

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: (6) Nod
>>RC> Subj: (6) Nod

>>>CF> In the genealogy of Cain we are told not only the sons but also some of the daughters. This is unusual considering that many people seem to believe that the line of Cain died at the flood.

>>RC> Cain's male line perished. Remember that when sin entered into the world, it was by one man, not by the woman who ate first.

>CF> If Cain's line had perished utterly there would be no reason for it to have been included in the Genealogies at all.

I didn't say the female line perished. It seems reasonable that the wife of Noah was Naamah. (It also seems reasonable that the three sons of Noah married daughters of Naamah's brothers, or else how could it be said of Jubal that he was the "father of all such as handle the harp and organ"? :)

>CF> Tubal-Cain was an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron. These skills are carried on after the flood by the descendants of the sons of Noah.

It doesn't say that Tubal-Cain was a "father" though. His teachings were passed on, but not necessarily by descent through a daughter.

>CF> Then it is more than likely that Cain's sons Ham and Japheth and Shem must have married daughters of Jabal and Jubal and Tubal-Cain!

IF Noah's sons did, then Noah's sons would only be related by marriage, and would not be "Cain's sons", but (grand+) sons-in-law.

My own knowledge of metal-working is limited, but I do know that "Iron sharpeneth iron"! (Now that we've fine-tuned our perceptions of these things, peradventure we might move on to other things? :)

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with y'all. Amen. --Richard


(9) Cain's wife (was Nod)

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: Genesis 2 (was Nod)
>>RC> Subj: Genesis 2 (was Nod)

>>>CF> Adam was created outside of Eden and placed in the Garden by the LORD.

>>RC> The ground from whence Adam was taken was in Eden east of the garden. He was driven out of the garden to till the "ground from whence" he was taken.

>CF> Eden was called the "Garden of Eden" Gen. 2:15, 3:24.

Gen.2:8-- "And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."

The garden was not in the west, north, or south part of Eden, but "eastward" in Eden. The garden was not the whole land of Eden. The land of Eden is roughly bounded by lines from mount Ararat to the Nile, and from thence to Ur, and thence to Ararat. In plainer words, the area of land promised to Abraham. (see Genesis 15, etc. :)

>CF> There was no land called Nod - Nod means wandering, this was the curse upon Cain, that he would have to wander.

"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden." (Gen.4:16)

The meaning of the name Nod, is to shake the head in affirmation or in consolation. (It may be that when Eve asked Adam about the child, that his mind was wandering, preoccupied with untangling the cord, but his affirmative "nod" was consolation for Eve. Amen! :)

>CF> Adam's curse had been to stay where he had been created and till that ground while Cain's curse was to wander. Both of them East of Eden.

No, Adam was not cursed, for God had already blessed him back in Gen.1:28. For Adam's sake, the "ground" was cursed instead. And Adam was taken out of the ground before it was cursed. Adam was only driven outside the garden in Eden, not outside the land of Eden.

>CF> I am saying that when Adam and his wife left the Garden of Eden to till the ground from whence he was taken, with the sweat of his brow, he was sent forth from the Garden, it does not actually say in which direction, presumably east.

The only entrance to the tabernacle of the congregation was on the east side; likewise the temple in Jerusalem. People departed from the presence of the Lord when they went east, and approached going west. Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt on the east of Eden, in the land of... (YEAH! :)

Grace be with you in understanding for Jesus' sake. Amen. --Richard


(10) TwinTruplets? :)

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: (6) Nod
>>RC> Subj: (6) Nod

>>>CF> Cain and Abel according to oral Jewish sources were born with a twin sister each, who became their wives.

>>RC> ... there is no appearance of any "maid" children born along with Cain and Abel. (Upon what do your "Jewish sources" base their claim? :)

>CF> It is based upon a commentary of the Hebrew grammatic structure, by a very revered Jewish authority - namely Rashi.

>CF> ArtScroll Bereishis Vol. 1. Gen.4:2. And additionally she bore [lit. and she increased to bear] his brother Abel. Rashi explains that the three instances of "Aleph Tav" [lit. 'with'] in these two verses: ....hebrew omitted...[lit. 'with'] Cain...[with] his brother [with] Abel, imply an extension to the text teaching that a twin sister was born with Cain, and that with Abel two were born. Therefore it says lit. and she increased [i.e. more than previously."

>CF> Sorry I am not able to reproduce the Hebrew text for you.

No sweat, I have the hebrew of Genesis 4:1,2 open before me. The Aleph Thau is "eth", the hebrew word for ENTITY, which could be represented as "even" or "namely." There are not three, but five instances of "eth" in those verses. The four instances used in the sense of "entity" are left untranslated in the english, since it is understood that people are entities. The "eth" before "JHVH" is translated not as "with", but correctly as "from the LORD."

The idea that the woman "increased to bare" (again bare,) proves that Abel came out of the womb after Cain without further conception being involved, making Cain and Abel twins, as I've noted before.

By the way, your statement that Cain and Abel were born with a twin sister "each, who became their wives", is contradicted by Rashi's claim that Abel had two with him, making five total or quintuplets.

There is a for sure case of quintuplets in 1Sam.2:21p-- "And the LORD visited Hannah, so that she conceived, and bare three sons and two daughters." Notice the words "so that" in particular. Before the Lord gave her quintuplets, Hannah prophesied of the power of the Lord: "so that the barren hath born seven" (1Sam.2:5p). By Hannah's time, maybe it was not out of the ordinary to have five at a time; but if Eve's first conception had been five, then it would be unthinkable to only mention two, as though there were no others.

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(11) passing buck$? :)

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: (6) Nod
>>RC> Subj: (6) Nod

>>RC> It is by the seed of man that sin is continued. It was to the man "alone" that the commandment was given (concerning the tree of the knowledge of good [and] evil,) which said unto him: "Thou shalt not eat of it." (The man was under law, but the woman was under GRACE!!! :)

>>RC> It was only the man that was driven out of the garden of Eden, "to till the ground from whence he was taken." The woman was not made from red/brown dirt, but from a lily-white RIB! (Because her "desire" was to her husband, she was FREE to "follow" him. A great mystery? but I speak concerning Christ and the church! :)

>CF> When they broke the commandment they were both under the condemnation of the Law.

The commandment was to the man "alone" in Gen.2:16,17. (There was no such thing as a woman at that point in time! :)

>CF> The man was held responsible but the woman was also in the transgression.

Sure, she was an accessory before the fact. The LORD God did not condemn her for eating; Adam condemned the woman's grace in giving, and indirectly blamed the LORD for his grace in giving! "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." (Gen.3:12p) Adam passed the buck both ways, and the buck came to a stop both ways. Eve side-stepped Adam's blame and passed it on to the serpent that had beguiled her. The serpent was cursed instead of the woman, and the ground was cursed instead of the man.

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(12) "quench not" :)

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: (5) Nod
>>RC> Subj: (5) Nod

>>>CF> Remember Adam was a "red" man, thus he contained the genetic code for all the colours of man. So much for the superiority of the white races!

>>RC> It is generally believed that Adam was reddish/brown and Eve was of a fair complexion.

>CF> If Eve was taken out of Adam and he was of reddish/brown complexion then it is only natural to believe that she was the same colour as her husband.

No, not if you consider that he was made from red/brown dirt, but she was made from a lily-white rib! All the other creatures made that day came from the ground, including the man, but the woman was taken out of the side of the man, the 5th rib over the apex of the heart! And the LORD closed up the flesh instead, so we see that Adam had a soft spot where Eve was concerned, a tender reminder! Adam's desire was not misplaced, but the Lord had to re-direct the woman's "desire" (Gen.3:16p) to her husband, when she got off track and thought the vine tree was "a tree to be desired..." (Gen.3:6p)

>>RC> Although some people think that the mark on Cain was to turn his skin completely black, I rather think that, yes, the mark was black, but that it was more like the marks on a LEOPARD...

>CF> We have absolutely now way of telling exactly what the mark on Cain was according to Jewish sources again, the same cited above - Rashi.

Cain was "of that wicked one" according to 1John 3:12p. And Paul spoke of the man of sin, the son of perdition, "that Wicked" that will be revealed (2Thes.2:8) and in Revelation 13, we see the beast rise up: "And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard..." The marks on a leopard are black marks on a yellow/brown background, and the belly is white. (So much for white superiority? :)

>CF> According to another interpretation: Since Cain sinned he feared the wild beasts. God therefore set a sign for Cain: He made the animals fear him again. (Rashi).

All creatures were vegetarians before the flood. (Gen.1:29,30) It was after the flood that eating "flesh" was allowed, (but not with the blood which is the soul thereof, Gen.9:2-4.) That is when the "fear" and "dread" of man was put on other creatures. What Cain had to fear was his "mother's children" wanting to avenge Abel's death.

When David went out against Goliath, he "wisely" chose five stones, because Goliath had four brothers! At a later date, David came within inches of being killed by Ishi-benob, one of Goliath's brothers, but David was rescued by blessed Abishai the son of Zaruiah. (David's men sware not to let him go out to battle with them afterward, that "the light of Israel" be not quenched. :)

May God enlighten your eyes to see yet more of his grace and truth in his word. Grace be with you for Jesus' sake. Amen. --Richard


(13) "strange flesh"

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: (6) Nod [& (6) re-send]
>>RC> Subj: (6) Nod

>>RC> It is commonly believed that the three sons of Noah represent the three main "sorts" of man-kind:

>>RC> >1> Caucasian/white  (Japheth the elder)
>>RC> >2> Negroid/black    (Ham the younger)
>>RC> >3> Mongoloid/yellow (Shem the youngest?)

>CF> This is highly debatable. As I understand it the usual breakdown is:
>CF> Japheth - yellow >-> Ham - black >-> Shem - white

In Genesis 10, you are given the names and locations of the families and nations descended from Noah's three sons, and it is evident that Japheth's sons mainly settled in Europe, and Shem's in Asia.

>CF> However, I tend to believe that the colour mix goes across the lines a great deal more than that breakdown.

The mixing area was the so-called "fertile crescent". The land of Canaan to the land of Shinar was dominated by Ham's descendents. That land however was supposed to be for Shem's descendents, and in particular, Israel is given the western area, and other children of Abraham were sent into "the east country" on this side Euphrates.

GENERALLY speaking, the further you get from the fertile crescent, the closer you are to the original "sorts" of mankind. Sweden for Japheth, China for Shem, deep Africa for Ham. But of course, the land barriers between peoples have pretty much gone by the way side.

>CF> I was not thinking about Noah's line being contaminated by admixture of various colours, rather that his bloodline was pure in that his family had not indulged in the intermarriage between the "sons of [God] and the daughters of men." Therefore there was no chance of giantism in his own bloodline.

Yes. But the intermixing with the daughters of men was not just in the days before the flood, but also "after" that. The angels that left their first estate, and the GIANTS, came to be known as "gods" and "heroes" in pagan mythology and legend, but they did exist.

"GOD standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods." - "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. but ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes." (Psm.82:1,6,7)

As the LORD said, "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh..." Their flesh was different than man's. And if it was only mankind's flesh that had been corrupted, then it would not have been necessary to wipe out the beasts and fowls, etc. There was a lot of gene-splicing and "strange flesh" in those days. (Giant reptiles, and giant fowl, and centaurs? ... What a mess!)

And as it was in the days of Noah, so also shall it be in the days of the Son of Man. This "present evil world" is rushing toward judgment by a flood of fire that will dissolve the very elements. Grace be to them that love the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. --Richard


(14) (CF) Cain's wife (was Nod)

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: Cain's wife (was Nod)

You think "Cain's wife  was Nod"?  (koala grin :o)

>>>CF> There was no land called Nod - Nod means wandering...

>>RC> "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden." (Gen.4:16)

>>RC> The meaning of the name Nod, is to shake the head in affirmation or in consolation. (It may be that when Eve asked Adam about the child, that his mind was wandering, preoccupied with untangling the cord, but his affirmative "nod" was consolation for Eve. Amen! :)

>CF> Sorry Richard, but you have taken the meaning of the English word "nod" and have applied it to an "untranslated" Hebrew word.

>CF> Nod Strongs No. 5113 node ; vagrancy, wandering, exile.

The root meaning of Nun-Vau-Daleth is Strong's #5110, "to nod...from shaking the head in sympathy, to console..." etc. The words "exile" and "wandering" appear in Strong's #5112, not #5113. The hebrew word translated "vagabond" is Nun-Daleth: "nad" ("a" as in bawl. :)

>CF> Thus Cain dwelt in the land of exile, from his home with his parents.

Dwelt? (Then you agree he didn't wander, but dwelt in the land? :)

When Cain complained that fleeing from place to place as a fugitive from the avenger(s) of blood was a punishment GREATER than he could bear, the LORD modified the sentence and put a judgment mark on Cain to keep any of his "mother's children" from killing him. Instead of wandering, he could settle down: And he "dwelt in the land of Nod".

The Bible doesn't come right out and say, Noah's wife (was Naamah,) but you have no worries believing that she was his wife. Cain's son Enoch was built within Cain's wife. Cain's city called "Enoch" was build in the land called "Nod." (If not Nod, who was Cain's wife? :)

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with us all. Amen. --Richard


(15) Woman: an uncaged RIB! :)

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: "quench not" :)
>>RC> Subj: "quench not" :)

>>>CF> ... the same colour as her husband.

>>RC> No, not if you consider that he was made from red/brown dirt, but she was made from a lily-white rib! All the other creatures made that day came from the ground, including the man, but the woman was taken out of the side of the man, the 5th rib over the apex of the heart! And the LORD closed up the flesh instead, so we see that Adam had a soft spot where Eve was concerned, a tender reminder! Adam's desire was not misplaced, but the Lord had to re-direct the woman's "desire" (Gen.3:16p) to her husband, when she got off track and thought the vine tree was "a tree to be desired..." (Gen.3:6p)

>CF> It says absolutely nothing in Genesis that Eve came from Adam's fifth rib, or even uses the word "rib" at all. The Scripture says that she was taken from his "side" that is the meaning of the word in Hebrew.

The scripture (Author's Version) says: "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." (Gen.2:21-23 A.V.1611 :)

One of his ribs was indeed a bone of his bones. (Do some people have "bones of contention" in their sides, instead of rib bones? :)

Woman: "an uncaged RIB!" (RIB: Radiating Intelligent Brilliance? :)

>CF> The Hebrew is Tzeh-lag, f.

The Hebrew for "rib" is "Tzay-law" (masculine, Tzaddi-Lamed-Ain :)

>CF> Your concept of it being the fifth rib is obviously based upon something that you read in 2 Sam. 2:23.

The truth of her being Adam's fifth rib is based on Ephesians five, and "the revelation of Jesus Christ" given unto me after I was saved by the grace of God on the road that goeth toward Damascus. (And a voice answered and said, "Doth he not speak in parables?" :)

(Please encourage your heart to read the next message. THANKS! :)


(16) The FIFTH rib! (Nudge, nudge? :)

From a message by a Curious Female--
>CF> Subj: "quench not" :)
>>RC> Subj: "quench not" :)

>>>>RC> Although some people think that the mark on Cain was to turn his skin completely black, I rather think that, yes, the mark was black, but that it was more like the marks on a LEOPARD...

>>>CF> We have absolutely now way of telling exactly what the mark on Cain was...

>>RC> Cain was "of that wicked one" according to 1John 3:12p. And Paul spoke of the man of sin, the son of perdition, "that Wicked" that will be revealed (2Thes.2:8) and in Revelation 13, we see the beast rise up: "And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard..."

>CF> Pure speculation Richard. Nudge, nudge, (in your ribs) :-)

The pure word of God quoted above is indeed pure. ("Ha, ha." :)

>CF> The number 5 is the number of Divinity...

In Bible Numerics, five usually represents DEATH. (See Gen.5:5)

Adam was in a "deep sleep" (type of death) and his side was opened. The "last Adam", Jesus, died on the center one of five crosses, and his side was opened with a spear. (The two malefactors of Luke were crucified with Jesus before Jesus' five articles of clothing were divided, and the two thieves of Matthew were crucified AFTER his garments were parted. Counting Jesus, five men died on crosses.)

The word "rib" appears five times in the Bible. Whenever the lonely word "rib" appears except Gen.2:22, it is always "the fifth rib." (2Sam.2:23, 3:27, 4:6, 20:10 Author's Version 1611 A.V. :)

(If that's not enough fives, my 5th eldest cat Nathan just hopped on my lap and leaned his head against the 5th rib over my heart!!!!! :)

>>RC> May God enlighten your eyes to see yet more of his grace and truth in his word. Grace be with you for Jesus' sake. Amen.

>CF> May your own eyes be opened to the truth.

(Is that what Eve said to Adam when she handed him the grapes? :)

Grace be to them that love the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. --Richard

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