>>>>>CQ> Regarding man and wife in the passage in Timothy, I agree that the distinction you point out isn't in the KJV. But then the KJV isn't the Greek original, either, is it?
>>>>RC> The word of God in Timothy is evident and easy to understand. (And you don't have "the Greek original" either. :)
>>>CQ> Never said I had the original Greek, did I? Won't, either. But we DO have the Greek from which the KJV was translated, don't we?
>>RC> No.
>CQ> Then, pray tell, WHERE did the King James come from, in the first place?
In the first place, God.
>>>CQ> And it is older and more reliable than the KJV, since the KJV came from the Greek, right?
>>RC> How would you know, since you don't have the original Greek that the Author's Version of the N.T. in english was translated out of?
>CQ> Then, pray tell, where IS the original Greek that the KJV was translated from?
The Lord knows; why are you praying to me to tell you that?
>CQ> Or did King James pen it himself?
"And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites: And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:" (Deut.17:18,19)
Looks like there is certainly precedent for a king to have his own personal copy for personal devotions.
>>RC> Receive the love of the truth for Jesus' sake.
>CQ> Did that a LONG time ago....
Then receive the exhortation to continue in the love the truth for Jesus' sake; growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord. Grace be to them that love the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. --Richard
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>CQ> Subject: A.V.
>>>QC> Or did King James pen it himself?
>>RC> "And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall WRITE him a COPY of this law in a BOOK out of that which is before the priests the Levites: And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to KEEP all the WORDS of this law and these statutes, to do them:" (Deut.17:18,19)
>>RC> Looks like there is certainly precedent for a king to have his own personal copy for personal devotions.
>CQ> The passage you quoted refers to a king of the Israelites,
"But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy. Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees... they were servants unto him and his sons until the reign of the kingdom of Persia:" (2Chr.36:16,17p,20p)
"Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah." (Ezra 1:2)
Obviously a king set up over Israel whom the Lord chose, for there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
>CQ> , and the book refers to the Law of Moses.
>CQ2> "Clarification...refers not to the law of Moses, as I had said, but rather the law of how the king should view himself and conduct himself before God and man.
The "book" refers to a copy made by a king, "OUT OF that which is before the priests and levites." The copy of King James was "OUT OF the original tongues" that were before the translators. "If you ask what they had before them, truly it was the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New." (KJV Preface 15:10)
Grace be to them that love the truth for Jesus' sake. Amen. --Richard
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>>>CQ> Or did King James pen it himself?
>>RC> "And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites: And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:" (Deut.17:18,19)
>>RC> Looks like there is certainly precedent for a king to have his own personal copy for personal devotions.
>CQ> Yup, there is precedent for EVERY believer to have his own personal copy for personal devotions. But there is NO precedent for each person to GENERATE his own copy; King James certainly didn't.
"Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?" (Ec.8:4)
The 4th chapter of the 27th book of the Bible was generated by a gentile king, who blessed and honoured the most high God in saying, "And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" (Dan.4:35)
>CQ> And what has the passage in Deuteronomy have to do with the SOURCE of the KJV, or what King James did?
A gentile king was the SOURCE of Daniel chapter four. ("O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!" :)
King James blessed and honoured the most high God, and there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
>CQ> WHAT WAS THE SOURCE OF WHAT WAS TRANSLATED BY THOSE COMMISSIONED BY KING JAMES?
"If you ask what they had before them, truly it was the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New. These are the two golden pipes, or rather conduits, wherethrough the olive branches empty themselves into the gold." (KJV Preface 15:10,11)
"And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches." (Rom.11:17,18p)
Remember that Jesus is the Lord, Author and Finisher of our faith.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. --Richard
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>>RC> "The copy of King James was "OUT OF the original tongues" that were before the translators."
>CQ> Hallelujah!!!! We are having FUN now......so the KJV was translated from Hebrew and Greek. What happened to those Hebrew and Greek sources?
Surely the Lord knows! (Jer.36:23-25,32 :)
"THE king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will." (Prov.21:1)
"Notwithstanding his royal heart was not daunted or discouraged for this or that colour, but stood resolute, as a statue immoveable, and an anvil not easy to be beaten into plates, as one saith; he knew who had chosen him to be a soldier, or rather a captain, and being assured that the course which he intended made much for the glory of God, and the building up of his Church, he would not suffer it to be broken off for whatsoever speeches or practices." (KJV Preface 4:3)
"It doth certainly belong unto kings, yea, it doth specially belong unto them, to have care of religion, yea, to know it aright, yea, to profess it zealously, yea, to promote it to the uttermost of their power." (KJV Preface 4:4)
"This is their glory before all nations which mean well, and this will bring unto them a far most excellent weight of glory in the day of the Lord Jesus." (KJV Preface 4:5)
(--Preceding quotes from the King's Book, text or preface)
The King's Book is a fountain of most pure water springing up unto everlasting life. "And what marvel? the original thereof being from heaven, not from earth; the author being God, not man; the inditer, the Holy Spirit, not the wit of the Apostles or Prophets; the penmen, such as were sanctified from the womb, and endued with a principal portion of God's Spirit; the matter, verity, piety, purity, uprightness; the form, God's word, God's testimony, God's oracles, the word of truth, the word of salvation, &c.;" (KJV Preface 5:26p)
A blessed thing it is, when God speaketh unto us, to hearken; when he setteth his word before us, to read it; when he stretcheth out his hand and calleth, to answer, "Here am I; here we are to do thy will, O GOD." The Lord work a care and conscience in us to know HIM and serve HIM, that we may be acknowledged of HIM at the appearing of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, to whom with the Holy Ghost, be all praise and thanksgiving. Amen.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. --Richard
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