>>RC> The greatest book ever printed on this earth by all odds, bar none, has been the King James 1611 Authorized Version Holy Bible!
>>RC> This Holy Book is far superior to the original manuscripts for a number of reasons. This Authoritative Bible is written in English and the universal language of the world IS ENGLISH, not Greek, therefore it's far superior to the original manuscripts, that are written in a language that is mostly a dead language today.
>CQ> How can a translation exceed the original?
"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him..." (Heb.11:5p)
"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another." (1Cor.15:40)
Surely Enoch's life AFTER translation far EXCEEDS his previous life! ("O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!")
The Holy Bible is far superior to the original manuscripts, because it is AVAILABLE and the so-called original autographs are NOT.
>CQ> Were the originals imperfect?
Even silver must be tried by fire: "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times."
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>>RC> So as we can see by historical fact and documented evidence, the King James Bible is far superior to any so-called verbally inspired originals which nobody HAS and nobody has ever seen, and IF they had them and they saw them they probably couldn't understand them anyway.
>CQ> Uh, secuse me again, but if nobody ever saw any original MSS., what exactly was it they were translating?
"If you ask what they had before them, truly it was the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New." (KJV Preface 15:10)
"If truth be to be tried by these tongues, then whence should a translation be made, but out of them? These tongues, therefore, (the scriptures, we say, in those tongues,) we set before us to translate, being the tongues wherein God was pleased to speak to his Church by his Prophets and Apostles." (KJV Preface 15:14,15)
"NEITHER did we think much to consult the translators or commentators, Chaldee, Hebrew, Syrian, Greek, or Latin, NO, NOR the Spanish, French, Italian, or Dutch;" - "we have at the length, through the good hand of the Lord UPON us, brought the work to that pass that YOU SEE." (KJV Preface 15:19,21p)
>>RC> We often fail to SEE, that understanding the Bible [depends not] on scholarship, but on a humble mind and believing heart.
>CQ> Then any version ought to do.
Let no man deceive himself. Using CORRUPT versions is foolhardy.
>>RC> The history of England, Germany, and the United States is the history of material blessing as long as the Author's Version text was honoured. And disaster has followed where it was abandoned.
>CQ> Germany? I would've thought they read the Bible in German, just for the sake of clarity.
Bible-believing Germans had the Author's Version in German.
>CQ> Thinking of that, what of the people in the world who don't speak English? My wife reads the Bible in Korean, since that's her mother-tongue. She could no more read the KJV and understand it than she could fly.
With God all things are possible.
>CQ> And some of us just get weary of pointless tub-thumping.
The Lord Jesus says, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
>CQ> You wanna read the KJV, read it, and joy go with you.
The PURE word of God is most joyful reading for ever and ever. Amen. Grace be to them that receive the love of the truth. Amen. --Richard
>>RC> We have the time of its publication after Bloody Mary had BURNED almost 250 Bible-believing Christians at the stake in the fires of Smithsfield.
>CQ> But they couldn't have been Bible-believing by your lights, Richard. The KJV hadn't been issued yet!
"Ha, ha." [The Lord's translation of a horse laugh in Job.39:25p. :]
>>RC> We know that the Authorized Version is the word of God because of the pre-eminent place that it gives to Jesus Christ; and it's the ONLY Bible that has the power by the Holy Ghost to say that Jesus is the Lord!
>CQ> Lessee, I have a New American, an NIV, an Amplified, and a KJV here that I read. Best I can tell, they all same things about Jesus (strange, huh), and
they all say that Jesus is Lord.
EVERY tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the father. Be not deceived.
Remember that Jesus is the Lord.
>CQ> You're doing you argument serious injury here, Richard, because it's now apparent that you don't even know what's in the later translations.
Not true.
>>RC> We know that the King James Version is the word of God because of the dishonesty of it's critics.
>CQ> Careful of that; you've proven your dishonesty in the previous paragraph, and you're a proponent of the KJV.
Not true at all. (Be not deceived.) You ought to receive the word of God as it is in truth, the word of God, and not the word of men.
"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man."
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved; For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Grace be to them that receive the love of the truth. Amen. --Richard
>CQ> Tell me, if the Book is 100% accurate, how is it that in Genesis 6:3 (pre-deluvian) The the Lord said:"My spirit shall not remain in man forever, since he is but flesh. His days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years",
That is NOT what the Lord said.
>CQ> , but the Arpachshad son of Shem (born after the flood) son of Noah, lived 438 years? And his son Shelah lived 433 years? (Genesis 11:12-14). - Seems someone forgot to tell the author about his own rules.
Genesis 6:3-- "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." [Author's Version]
Obviously "shall be" is future tense.
"And Moses went and spake these words unto all Israel. And he said unto them, I am an hundred and twenty years old this day; I can no more go out and come in: also the LORD hath said unto me, Thou shalt not go over this Jordan." (Deut.31:1,2)
Obviously he was exactly 120 years old and he died:
"And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated." (Deut.34:7)
>>RC> Did anyone AFTER Moses live past 120 years? (1Chr.24:15! :)
>CQ> I was trying to point out that several people are reported to have lived longer than 120 years AFTER God's statement in Gen 3 on the matter.
The statement in Genesis 6:3 written by Moses is clear, and the prophecy was fulfilled in Moses' day, for obviously "his days" WERE an hundred and twenty years. (Don't over look the colons! :)
>CQ> However, Richard's nonsensical reply that "SHALL" is a future word can be difused by the use of SHALL in the FIRST COMMANDMENT.
And Jesus answered him, "The FIRST OF ALL the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou SHALT love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the FIRST COMMANDMENT." (Mk.12:29,30)
Richard said, Obviously "shall be" is future tense. The difference between "shalt not"(Ex.20) and "shall be"(Gen.6:3) is also obvious.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou SHALT BE saved. Grace and mercy be to them that receive the love of the truth. Amen. --Richard
>>RC> HOWEVER, the Bible-Believing Christian believes the Bible is the word of GOD, the absolute truth, completely and scientifically and historically correct; (and if the antichristian scientists don't like it, they ought to go take a flying jump at the moon! :)
>CQ> People can believe this without believing all that YOU have said about it. Don't equate your interpretation with the Word itself.
(You keep referring to the spoken/written word as being a personified "Word". In God's holy scriptures, the personified "Word" is used ONLY for the Lord. You personify the spoken/written word, as though it were a person, but accuse others of worshipping it? :)
We know that the Authorized Version is the word of God because of the pre-eminent place that it gives to Jesus Christ; and it's the ONLY Bible that has the power by the Holy Ghost to say that Jesus is the Lord!
"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man."
>>RC> In it's own writing, the Bible is called: The oracles of God, the word of Christ, the word of God, the word of the LORD, the word of life, the words of truth, and the word of faith.
>>RC> In God's own estimation, the word of God is ABOVE the name of his son Jesus Christ. (Psalm 138:2). And Paul does not hesitate to use the word 'scripture' for 'God', in Galatians 3:8 and Romans 9:17.
>CQ> It doesn't say words it says Word.
It doesn't say "words" or "Word" in Psalm 138:2, but "word". You really ought to learn the difference some day. (Rev.20:12)
>>RC> The critics of the King James Bible like to pretend that 2nd Timothy 3:16 refers to the original manuscripts ONLY, which of course it does NOT! The greatest Bible-perverting heresy taught by these apostates is that 2Timothy 3:16 is a reference to the originals, when 2Timothy 3:16 didn't say originals, it said SCRIPTURE. In the previous verse, 2Timothy 3:15, you're told that Timothy knew the scriptures since he was a child. Clearly showing you that the scriptures are certainly not the originals, never have been the originals, and never will be the originals.
>CQ> So you are saying this refers to ALL scripture correct?
Remember that Jesus is the Lord and be not wise in your own conceits.
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>>RC> The King James Authorized Version as it stands, cannot teach anything except the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, UNLESS you add to it, or subtract from it, or remove the text from the context. If you believe the Bible as it stands, you can't get caught up in any of the heresies infesting the world today.
>CQ> You have given us a perfect example of this. Without adding to the Bible in any way can you give one verse that exalts the KJV over any other translation or over the original languages? Please show the KJV in the KJV.
First you show me in that 4-message series where I even used the expression "KJV". I can show you an "Av" in the Authorized version! (At the beginning of the verse just BEFORE the verse that says: "Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men." :)
>>RC> You ought to put your trust in the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith: The Lord Jesus Christ. ("BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved!") If you don't have THE BIBLE, Get a copy. Read it, Believe it, Love it, Preach it, Teach it, Memorize it, Practice it, and if/when the time comes: By the grace of God, Die by it!
>CQ> You go from saying believe in Christ but die for a book. God forbid!
God does NOT forbid people to die according to the word of God, and thousands of gallons of blood of saints who trust the word of God has been poured out in this God-defying bible-rejecting world. (And you lied: You claimed I said "die for", but I said "Die by..." :)
>CQ> I will live for the Lord and die if necessary for Him.
Whatcha waitin' for? You really ought to "die" by the word of God as the Bible says: "I die daily." (1Cor.15:31p & see Gal.2:19,20 :)
>CQ> But not to defend YOUR translation.
What is this "YOUR translation" you speak of? The LORD's translation is MY BLESSED HOPE! Why don't you trust his word? GOD IS FAITHFUL!
>CQ> God never asks us to defend His word, just proclaim.
Well, you have NEITHER defended nor proclaimed his word with your dispute, but certainly have cast a lot of DOUBT on the word of God.
"Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations."
The Psalmist says: "Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word." (Psm.119:67 - Author's Version - A.V.1611)
Grace be to them that love the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. --Richard
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